Homosexuality: The Mental Illness That Went Away

Post edited and updated January 2, 2013, to reflect clarifications as a result of interactions with the many people who have left comments.  I thank them for their input.

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According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness.  Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable.  Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis.  There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated.  And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II.  (The DSM – Diagnostic and Statistical Manual – is the APA’s standard classification of their so-called mental disorders, and is used by many mental health workers in the USA and other countries.)

Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco.  These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance.  In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal.  The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions.  This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.

What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough.  There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change.  Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a fuss.  They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard.  And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed.  And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their entire taxonomy.  So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally.

The APA claimed that they made the change because new research showed that most homosexual people were content with their sexual orientation, and that as a group, they appeared to be as well-adjusted as heterosexual people.  I suggest, however, that these research findings were simply the APA’s face-saver.  For centuries, perhaps millennia, homosexual people had clung to their sexual orientation despite the most severe persecution and vilification, including imprisonment and death.  Wouldn’t this suggest that they were happy with their orientation?  Do we need research to confirm this?  And if we do, shouldn’t we also need research to confirm that heterosexual people are happy with their orientation?  And if poor adjustment is critical to a diagnosis of mental illness, where was the evidence of this that justified making homosexuality a mental illness in the first place?

Also noteworthy is the fact that the vote of the membership was by no means unanimous.  Only about 55% of the members who voted favored the change.

Of course, the APA put the best spin they could on these events.  The fact is that they altered their taxonomy because of intense pressure from the gay community, but they claimed that the change was prompted by research findings.

So all the people who had this terrible “illness” were “cured” overnight – by a vote!  I remember as a boy reading of the United Nations World Health Organization’s decision to eradicate smallpox.  This was in 1967, and by 1977, after a truly staggering amount of work, the disease was a thing of the past.  Why didn’t they just take a vote?  Because smallpox is a real illness.  The human problems listed in DSM are not.  It’s that simple.  You can say that geese are swans – but in reality they’re still geese.

The overall point being that the APA’s taxonomy is nothing more than self-serving nonsense.  Real illnesses are not banished by voting or by fiat, but by valid science and hard work.  There are no mental illnesses.  Rather, there are people.  We have problems; we have orientations; we have habits; we have perspectives.  Sometimes we do well, other times we make a mess of things.  We are complicated.  Our feelings fluctuate with our circumstances, from the depths of despondency to the pinnacles of bliss.  And perhaps, most of all, we are individuals.  DSM’s facile and self-serving attempt to medicalize human problems is an institutionalized insult to human dignity.  The homosexual community has managed to liberate themselves from psychiatric oppression.  But there are millions of people worldwide who are still being damaged, stigmatized, and disempowered by this pernicious system to this day.

  • Rob

    Beware of blindly obeying what’s written in a book.

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  • William Gibbons

    Old Testament laws were given to the Hebrews 4,000 years ago. This has nothing to do with Christianity. The Bible has clear warnings about turning your back on God and living anyway you like without consequence. One day we will all give an account of our lives before the Creator. How will you fare?

  • Iván Mengual Álvarez

    God didn’t write the Bible, so anyone could make it up. An old book can’t tell me that I’ve turned my back on God just for loving freely and hurting no one

  • William Gibbons

    Lots of negativity about the Bible, Christians, etc. Why is the Muslim world hardly ever mentioned? Today gays are hanged and women are stoned to death in Muslim lands. And many Muslims and Imams in the West have vented their hatred against gays, but they seem to get a free pass.

  • papernpaste

    Obviously and today, everything that labels itself Christian is not actually Christian. And if you were to present that question, you would get two hundred different answers. It is a sign of the times…mankind’s heart is “fallen” and is desperately wicked. The “church” has become so depraved that it is difficult to associate with buildings and groups that call themselves Christian. I pray and check myself, daily, so that I do not judge the sinner. Judge the sin, not the sinner and judge not you aren’t judged. It’s not so easy, is it? 🙂

  • papernpaste

    yes. The rainbow is evidence of His promise

  • bufny1

    if homosexuality was “normal” why hasn’t the human body/physiology not evolved to adapt to the sexual practices that homosexual perform??? Why???? simply because its unnatural and when you do something that is unnatural there will be consequences-and in gays its a myriad of STD’s and other diseases (anal cancer, lymphomas as an example) Recognizing “gay marriage” is just a ploy by homosexuals to make their sexual practices “legitimate” by equating it with heterosexual sex–gay marriage is far from “normal” and neither are gays “normal”

  • Allen

    I am curious why in Abnormal Psychology 1973 that we were taught that the 15% of queers that were cured (fully cured over a set number of years) rose to a 20% cure rate? Why television today, which is produced exclusively in Calfornia and plus is the home of the APA disputes ( how scientific is that? Let’s vote pedophilia into normalcy??) injects homosexuality and lesbianism into every single new television series produced? Supergirl? DC’s Legends…? Quantico? Even NCIS? Nobody I know, 1000’s, likes watching deviant behavior.

    I still have my (back then) 1973 copy of the APA’s Classification of Abnormal Behavior where Homosexuality and Lesbians are listed as a Class V Sexual Deviancy along with Voyeurs, Pedophiles and other abnormal sexual behavior. Why doesn’t television producers noticed the audience drops to zero and the show is removed by the networks? The show Quantico started a brand new season and the show starts the first scene two guys naked showered moved to the bed where they locked lips?? The rest of the season disappeared. Three months later the beautiful female star is on every talk show pushing Quantico on its new night. People, even my friends that are queer, do not like this perversion. Why are our children getting exposed to radical behavior? Why not go back in history to when Rome or Greece for instance collapsed? History is doomed to repeat itself. Except one of these times Satan…

  • Allen Tacey

    Statistical Analysis does not bow to he California crowd. Google the faggot issue and you will see that whether it is 1934 or 2017 that even the Gallop Poll has found this repulsive sexual deviancy occurs in less than 4% of Males and less than 1% of Females. Why do we no longer see the rise in the cure rate for OCD HOMOSEXUALITY/LESBIANISM?? Why didn’t BJ Clinton’s informed choice by Sanford to quit foisting sexual deviance on the Military be overthrown by a vote? Enough? Why the massive increase by faggots to be labeled “normal”? Is there truth to the story that Obama is homosexual, that Michelle is a tranny with fiull male equipment and is that why they ordered the murder of Joan Rivers? Not funny that the APA voted (?) to ” toss” out years of statistic analysis proving almost an absolute value for the Obsessive Compulsive Disorder Homosexuality/Lesbianism and only homosexual behavior. The same statistics used to define the boundaries of Voyeurism, Pedophilia and finds them below the same exact 5℅ figure that defines all of science from aspirin to Zoloft but only Osessive Compulsive Disorder Homosexual and Lesbian study is all wrong?? Not funny a faggot Psychologist lacking any proper instruction into Statistical Analysis. Psychology is a Science. Medical Doctors, Newspapers, Television, Radio and Man Who Statistics are not and do not “serve” as science. You probably think World Law was not broken when President Obama ordered the CIA to arm Libyan Rebels so they could kill Muammar Gaddafi then found out that when they raided Benghazi and killed our Libyan Ambassador that the Libyan Rebels were really ISIL (L for Libya S for Syria) that went through Yemen killing it citizens on their way to a boat which they loaded with CIA weapons to Syria and formed ISIS. I DO NOT WONDER WHY WE DIDN’T SAVE THE AMBASSADOR OR SET FOOT IN SYRIA! WE DO NOT WANT OUR SOLDIERS COMINFG HOME FULL OF M-16 BULLETS!! BLIND WE ARE ALL BLIND! 2008 TOSS OUT THE Psychologist “Bible” while to this date in 2017 the Gallop Polls every year have the same exact statistics, oh and also report 23℅ of US Citizens believe the amount of pinkie twinkers is larger than what it really is…

  • Allen Tacey

    Karen it changed the US and only in the US? I only ask why science proves everything from Aspirin to Zoloft but it is only wrong about Obsessive Compulsive Homosexuality? About four years ago I checked a few dictionaries for the meaning of the word gay. I only found one, Websters Unabridged Dictionary to have the original definition. I studied human behavior since about 1970 (Psychology) and carried a 3.8 GPA. I am not “colored” by any desire to invent some radical idea. I do not like tossing science out like they have in California. Nothing in the APA’s Classification of Abnormal Behaviors is voted on! Everything that is Classified is listed.

    From number I. MENTAL RETARDATION to X. CONDITIONS WITHOUT MANIFEST PSYCHIATRIC DISORDER AND NON-SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. HOMOSEXUALS is the only item voted out of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-II). The classification of the American Psychiatric Association was worked out in coordination with the World Health Organization and themDSM-II is exactly the same as the WHO’s scheme called ICD-8.

    In the listiings Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is the last added to the list at number X. Homosexuality is under number V. PERSONALITY DISORDERS AND CERTAIN OTHER NONPSYCHOTIC MENTAL DISORDERS includes sub catagories Personality Disorders, Sexual Deviations (Fetishism Pedophialia Transvestitism Exhibitionism Voyeurism Sadism Masochism Other unspecified deviation)

  • IVN

    Give me a break! Straight can also have STD and there are ways to prevent them! Anal cancer is caused by the human papillomavirus in the 93% of the cases so, again, homosexuality has nothing to do with that!
    You don’t like homosexuals? I don’t five a fuck! They have the same right to get married wether you consider them natural or not!

  • IVN

    What the fuck is wrong with you?? Pedophilia has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. There’s no cure for homosexuality because it’s not a mental illness! That “cured” people you say were just repressed! Homosexuality is normal, so it’s good to see it on TV! And if children seee two men or two women kissing it won’t cause any pain to them, I assure you! Now get your head out of your ass and open your mind! Homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone!

  • Bozzy Lewis

    It depends on what they consider “normal ?” Normal does not mean a majority of the population ! If society back then in the 1960’s and 70’s knew anything about human sexuality and did not define “normal” as merely being labeled heterosexual, then homosexuals would have never been deemed as mentally ill simply because they were different. Society and a hetero-centrist attitude was (and is) very homophobic, insecure and ignorant concerning all things sexual. This was fueled by the intolerance and mindlessness of religion and anti-gay sentiment; homosexuality has and always will exist as long as humanity exists.It is really a normal and natural part of human sexuality and exists naturally in the animal kingdom, where false, man-made moralities and the ignorance of religious discrimination in the human world is non-existent. What does that tell you ? Homosexuality, bisexuality and even a-sexuality are variances in human sexual-orientations, along with heterosexuality. These sexual-orientations are minority ones, however, because they are minorities does not mean they are abnormal, taboo, immoral or criminal ! We are talking about consenting-adults here in the 21st century and today we understand human sexuality far better than we did only one previous generation ago. Once gays began to stand-up, raise their hands and be counted in the 1970’s, people slowly began to realize that homosexuals were all around them and were not the perverted monsters that the Church and society would have you believe.

  • Bozzy Lewis

    There is NO GOD…except the one in your pea-brain !

  • Bozzy Lewis

    You are Satan ! God, the Devil, Heaven and Hell and all these ignorant and mindless religious ideas are concepts….nothing more ! Like the tooth-fairy, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny and so on ! They are not tangible and real….and only an anti-gay and homophobic fool that is really quite dangerous in the 21-st century would insist are something palpable and credible. Stop using your bogus God and religion to justify bashing gays in an attempt to bolster your own evil insanity and hate !

  • Danielle Everhart

    You’re invisible without God.

  • Danielle Everhart

    Keep heaping the coals on your head by the twisting of the word of God. Your infantile understanding of the bible will not help you.

  • Danielle Everhart

    Calling mental illness what it is is not bigotry. Narcissism was found to be at the root of homosexuality.

  • Danielle Everhart

    No that’s not what he said…more twisting.

  • Danielle Everhart

    And then evil took the rainbow and used it in a twisted way.

  • IVN

    Fuck your “god”. I’m not a slave to a god that doesn’t exist. And when you die the only kingdom you’ll see is two foot wide and six foot deep.

  • Jimmy Quick

    Where does the race end for you? What is sanity other than a willingness to see the obvious. I would pity you, but I don’t think that is what you want. You are destroyed inside and want everyone else to be dragged down to your level. Your only companions are those that you intend to devour once they have become weak enough for you to digest. You represent death while I advocate for life. You live in darkness and in darkness you will die, eternally.

  • Jimmy Quick

    The fool sayeth in his heart, “there is no God.” Psalms 14:1

  • IVN

    Your god is love, you are hate, you are fucked and you are making it worse with your stupid ideas. It’s too easy to live in ignorance believing that you are acting perfectly in your life just because an old shitty book says so. Oooh, look at me sinners, I’m going to go to an imaginary heaven while you’re going to burn in an imaginary hell for being homosexual and loving freely.
    You repulse me!

  • Danielle Everhart

    What a sad existence. You’ll be wishing for your grave when you face that day.

  • Danielle Everhart

    You prove that it is indeed a mental illness.

  • IVN

    You prove that you are even more stupid than you look. You say that I’ve got a mental illness for not believing in your god. I would shut up if I was you, because believing that a man came back to life and bealiving in an invisible being look like the symptoms of a mental illness more than loving freely.

  • Jimmy Quick

    I think you need to do more drugs.

  • IVN

    To end up like you? No thanks

  • Danielle Everhart

    You don’t love freely…you take what isn’t yours.

  • IVN

    What isn’t mine? Why? Who says that? You? Ha!

  • Athena Koop

    Oooh! Nice mixed metaphor. LOL

  • Athena Koop

    He has stated very plainly that homosexuals should be put to death.

  • Athena Koop

    Sorry, your comment is basically incoherent.

  • Jimmy Quick

    You can’t go swimming in the sewer and then run around telling everyone how clean you are. Reality just doesn’t work that way.

  • IVN

    You can’t say thsy homosexuals should be put to death and them run aroud telling that you will go to heaven.

  • IVN

    You can’t say that homosexuals should be put to death and then run around telling everyone that you will go to heaven. Reality doesn’t work that way.
    You can’t say that homosexuality is an mental illness enand then tu around telling eberyone that there’s an invisible god that sees everything. Reality doesn’t work that way.

  • Jimmy Quick

    Okay. You’re dumb I get that. There are no handles on the righteous that you can reach out and grab. They all belong to Christ and they all slip through your grasp like time or the wind if you will.

    Your argument, provided that is what you think you have (don’t look to me for agreement), is not with the created, but the creator.

    And in the end you will have done absolutely nothing to help yourself or anyone else.

  • Jimmy Quick

    Get off of drugs. You might live longer.

  • KaidaStorm

    So I’m not religious or anything, but here’s what I don’t get. The only mention (except for one case) of homosexuality being no bueno, was in the old testament which god says no longer has meaning, but can be used as a way to look on the past. He pretty much says that everything in it is null and void.

    And then there’s the one line in the new testament (depending on which version you are reading) and even that line is of much debate on what it actually means… and was said by Paul, not god. So really, as a non-religious person, I do not see why those who follow the bible target homosexuality with such passion?

    I would see things like adultering being far more of a concern with being mentioned almost 40 times in the bible. Given, some of that was old testament as well (When it was only a sin a woman can commit, men were not held to that guideline).

    Or how about Hypocrisy? Jesus cursed seven people for committing Hypocrisy but never once did you actually read him punishing a homesexual. In the bible, anything with that number is supposed to serve an importance. It’s mind boggling to me, I just don’t understand. Maybe it’s because I’m not religious, I unno.

  • IVN

    You are hilarious. The person who is all heatred is the one who says that I’m not helping anyone. I know that I help other people more than you do with your absurd medieval ideas. You know what? Maybe you think you are a “good christian” preaching shit and kissing your imaginary friend’s ass saying that homosexuals will burn in hell and that they should be put to death, but if your god exists I’m completely sure that I have more chances to go to heaven than you; maybe one day you’ll realize that heatred doesn’t lead anywhere and you’ll regret it for the rest of your life…or even eternity, who knows. It’s too easy to think that you’re a wonderful person and ignore that you’re nothing but a piece of shit, but reallity, as you say, doesn’t work that way.
    By the way, I’m against drugs, I have a healthy diet, I do sports and I always use a condom; maybe you should stop reading fantasy books like the bible 😉

  • Jimmy Quick

    There is no such thing as a good Christian or even a good person for that matter. There is only the Word of God and He is very clear in His message to humanity.

    Without the Blood of Christ covering for your sins, you are doomed. It’s that simple and yet like the thief on the cross, you mock the only chance you will ever have to escape the fate you are due from the curse that you were born under.

    Whatever you do will count for nothing in the end. You are an insignificant spec of dust before the One and Only God and He respects no man except His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

    So go about with your twisting and boisterous blowings. Nothing you ever do will add up to more than reruns in your mind as you are tormented eternally in the Lake of Fire..

  • Jimmy Quick

    It is religious to look at your phone every hour. It is religious to take a bath at the same time every day. It is religious to make your bed every time you get up.

    Religion, like so many words has been mis-applied and so the meaning has become lost by a lost generation.

    I can tell you that God says in His Word, don’t be religious. God wants what you want, spontaneity. Oddly, He want a relationship, with you of all people.

    Now, homo-sexuality is something that society has simply not figured out a way to make palatable, but not for lack of trying. It spreads disease and filth from the lecherous old that are dying from this disease to the curious and the foolish youth, not to mention the numerous viruses that are being released into the general population. I’ll go as far as to say that homo-sexuality is the single most dangerous problem we have today, topping global warming (or whatever), war and poverty.

    Please read the following: In Genesis 19 you will see where God destroyed two very rich, advanced societies because of their tolerance open sin (homo-sexuality.)

    Romans 1: 26 – 27 talks about women who act as men, lying with their own sex and taking their punishment internally into their own bodies. I believe this is the chemical change in the brain that science has detected through scans and has identified an aberrant condition within those who have committed these forbidden acts.

    Then there is the common law concerning marriage which God did establish via Genesis where He makes the statement that Holly Matrimony is reserved for one man and one woman. Some people want to make the argument that man has full authority over the law, but this one God has reserved for Himself. Conversely, any sexual act outside of marriage is lust of the flesh and is an abomination before the Lord.

    Sorry this is getting a bit long, but I’m almost done.

    Then there is 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy (new testament where God says that these people will not be allowed into Heaven, but who cares right. It’s only God and what does He know, right?

    Of course there is Leviticus 18: 22 and 20: 13 but most people say they no longer apply as if somehow God forgot what He said in Genesis. By the way Sodom and Gomorrah are still in the exact same condition that God left them in all those many years ago. I think He might be trying to tell us something, but that’s just me.

    I mean how many times does God need to tell you? Don’t play in the sewer. It’s dirty and you will get sick.

  • IVN

    Hahahahaha the Lake of Fire, sounds good, I like having warm baths 😉

  • Jimmy Quick

    Better you than me.

  • Jimmy Quick

    Trans-sexual is a misnomer in that it is physically impossible to change your sex. You may change the way you look, talk and even feel with the use of drugs, but every cell in your body was created with genetic markers that prove your identity as being either male or a female.

    These sexually deviant behaviors that are now being forced into the public view as they pretend to somehow be normal are nothing more than an outward indication of an overarching incompetence among those who have made a conscience choice to follow Satan.

    This does not need to be proven as it is self evident.

  • IVN

    It has been proven that transgender men have more similarities between their brain and the brain of a woman than with the brain of a man. And trasgender women have more similarities with the brain of a man. It has been proven by science, but I don think that a prehistoric ignorant like you will ever understand it

  • Jimmy Quick

    I laugh whenever I hear about someone telling everyone that they have become a girl or a boy or a salamander or a rock or a negro or whatever. It reminds me of when my little brother was a child and he would close his eyes and pretend that he was invisible. He really believed it even though it was a fantasy based purely in his own imagination. Then he went through a phase where he told people that he used to be a little girl, but he changed into being a boy over time. That lasted for about 5 years, but then he got a girlfriend and she told him that it was time to grow up and stop acting stupid.

    It’s a hoax. It’s a trick of the mind. It is a sickness and we are all supposed to play along so that the sick person doesn’t feel bad, but again it is impossible to change your sex and only the mentally ill don’t know that.

  • IVN

    And I laugh every time I hear about an invisible god and an invisible heaven, you are soooo ignorant

  • Jimmy Quick

    I suppose you will be laughing right up until it’s your time to fry, so laugh it up silly person. Just keep laughing.

  • IVN

    I’ll tell you why. There are some people who try to justify their senseless hate with religion. An example are jihadists, they kill people in the name of Allah, they try to encover their own personal hate with a book that anyone could invent.

  • mrpoohead

    Surely anything would be better than “Jimmy Not Quick”. Maybe you should change the “Qu” for a “Th” – closer to the truth.

  • Jimmy Quick

    I’m not the one who moved to a foreign country. Maybe you should have tried actually listening to your teachers when you were in school. Maybe you would have learned something.

  • mrpoohead

    If, I hadn’t travelled a bit and read books and just believed what was said at school I would be indoctrinated to believe that the US is Numero Uno – reality is a million miles away. Duh!

  • mrpoohead

    No, they’re habits – duh! God is made up by better salesmen who stole the idea from the Indus Valley. Ha!

    Have you seen Sodom and Co – you have a direct phone-line? How many times are you presented with facts and yet you still “believe” drivel? What happened to the spare 4.5 billion years of Earth that got skipped by the Bible, where’s the dinosaurs?

  • KaidaStorm

    See 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy is where I meant it depends on which version of the bible you read. The version I have is the KJV, and it doesn’t say anything about homosexuality on those lines. Instead it talks about lieing, stealing, whoring, murdering, etc., but not once does it mention homosexuality.

    In Corinthians and Timothy, the two words that normally get mixed up for homosexuality are malakoi and arsenokoitai. Malakoi in Greek more closely represents moral weakness (which is a vague word to use in my opinion) and arsenokoitai is a Greek word that was used to define prostitution. So I’d say that’s why people say those don’t apply, because really…. If we look at the Greek… it doesn’t.

    Now whether not to rule out or rule in the old testament is a much longer conversation. I feel the majority of Christians say to disregard the old testament because Jesus came to take the weight of those sins. I think a lot of it was due to it not making sense to our world today… like not being able to eat shrimp, cut your hair or shave your beard, working on Sundays, etc. That and I’m pretty sure PETA would not approve of sacrificing sheep lol. But that’s fair, you could say the old testament is still in place. But my point is, what’s with all the picking and choosing? If it’s all gods law, and that is something you believe in, you must follow it all. Otherwise, using religion to single out something so minor in the bible, is just in my opinion a way to justify your own belief. On a side note, I’m fine with that, people just need to stop hiding behind text.

    I’m talking about people that go “The only reason I don’t like homosexuality is because god says it’s a sin.” yet these people constantly commit sin and are engaging in hypocrisy, which is a far worse sin. It’s crazy.

    Now on the sick thing, that’s a different conversation all together and doesn’t have anything to do with the bible or the initial conversation. It’s also ironic considering the bible and it’s involvement with Leprosy. It’s late here and I don’t feel like touching on that because really, that should be a whole ‘nother conversation all together. Though I will say Heterosexuality does not take the cake for least likely to transmit disease….asexuality of course does.

  • IVN

    Laughing is healthier than hating. And I’ll be laughing when you discover that there’s no god.
    Please, show me just one evidence that god exists, I beg you.

  • Jimmy Quick

    I am pretty busy right now, but I will get back with you when I have the time. Something to think on in the meanwhile is that King James did have an ulterior motive in translating the original Biblical scrolls into English.

    It seems that the church of those times (catholic) was at odds with King James who was a regular participant in open homo-sexuality. So, the king decided to circumvent the power of the church by printing his own Bible that would be a bit more friendly to his point of view or so I am told.

    While I try my best to understand these things, I must admit I have no formal Theological education to back my opinions up against. I trust the guidance of the Holy Spirit to show me the Truth.

    On your last point, while I might agree that A-sexual spreads the least communicable disease, it does nothing to go forth and multiply as the Lord has commanded us to do and in the end it may actually lead to many mental disorders that manifest themselves in human beings acting out their loneliness and depression in unspeakable ways.

    I’ll get back when I have more… promise.

  • Jimmy Quick

    There are many very good works on this subject, but I have chosen one for you that was authored by and features the scientist who was first able to make me curious about exactly who God really is. The following is a link to a youtube video that you might find interesting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsbj7EN1Uzs

  • IVN

    creation.mobi/critique-of-intro-chapter-of-hugh-ross-new-book-a-matter-of-days
    Not because a scientist says that god exists it means that it’s true.

  • IVN

    May I understand that you are saying that homosexuality is a choice?

  • Jimmy Quick

    The underlying fact is that God doesn’t need anyone to confirm Him. You are His creation and you were created to glorify His name. If you CHOSE to ignore your purpose, that is no one’s fault but your own and the consequences are yours alone to bare.

    You have known from conception that you belong to God and it is only your repeated abuse of the freedoms He has granted that allow you to pretend He doesn’t exist.

    That is why God says, “the fool says in his heart, there is no God.”

  • Jimmy Quick

    God made people to be male or female. Not shapeshifters or chameleons. These abominations are human creations that have been put forth in an effort to show God how much He is hated by the followers of Satan.

    Homosexuality is very much the same. The human heart and mind knows full well that men are made for the pleasure of women and visa versa.

    The only people who turn to homosexuality are those who have rejected God at the deepest levels of their soul. They knew before committing these acts that it is wrong and that they can never return to God.

    As they have rejected Him, He has rejected them and they will pay the ultimate price for their disobedience.

  • IVN

    Hahaha so, when you are out of reasons and proves you use stupid excuses. It’s like “God exists because I say he exists”, aha, so if I say unicorns exist, it is true, right?
    You say: ” You have known from conception that you belong to God”…wait, what?
    And, you say “If you CHOSE to ignore your purpose, that is no one’s fault but your own and the consequences are yours alone to bare”, so, according to that, why do you say that homosexuals should be put to death? If homosexuality ‘is’ a sin and they are going to go to hell, why don’t you leave them alone? As you said, consequences are their, not yours.
    And one last thing, you say that God needs no confirmation, and I ask, how do you know that the bible is not an invention from a esquizofrenic?

  • IVN

    You are wrong, and I’ll tell you why: homosexuality is not a choice, if homosexuality was a choice it means that you can change back, then homosexuals in Islamic countries (where they are tortured for being homosexuals) would never make that choice or if they did it, they would change back to avoid being tortured.
    Also, no one has talked about chameleons or shapeshifters, but if you are referring to trasgender people, I told you that it has been discovered that some parts of the brain of a trasgender man are similar to that parts of the brain of a woman, and with a trasgender woman it’s all the way around, so, again, it’s not a choice.
    The difference between you and me is that I show evidences, you just say “This is this way because I say it is this way”.

  • Jimmy Quick

    Is suicide a choice? If so, then why can’t you change you mind and come back to life. Decisions have consequences.

    I’m sure you know know the joke about the old town bum. It’s too perverted to tell here, but look it up. It is one of those kind that are funny but true.

    There is no coming back. There are no redos.

    I’m sorry you seem to want to live in a make-believe world that is fueled by ingrained patterns of illogical reasoning.

    I can’t help you. Perhaps nobody can.

  • Jimmy Quick

    I’ve already explained. They can not return to God. They have already sold themselves to Satan.

    They spread disease and if you had even one shred of decency left, you would oppose the spread of disease as do I.

    You already know the answer to your last question. You already know that God is real and you are scared. That is why you are acting up like this. You think that somehow with more people going to the Lake of Fire, somehow He might miss you. Don’t count on it.

  • IVN

    Suicide is a choice, you cannot make the decision to come back to life because dead people don’t make decisions. If homosexuality was a decision, I repeat, people wouldn’t choose to be homosexual in Islamic countries.
    You say that I live in a world of illpogical reasoning, and you believe in an invisible god that makes magic, I see..
    And I don’t need your help! I DON’T need help! I’m not a slave to a god that doesn’t exist!

  • IVN

    Homosexuality is not a choice, I told you why.
    What diseases do I spread!?
    YOU spread ignorance!
    And about my last question, I swear I don’t know the answer! Tell me, how do you know. I know that god is not real, because there is no logical evidence. I’m not scared, but I thin you are, you are scared to what’s different from you.
    I’m going to burn in the ‘Lake of Fire’?? Uuuh! I’m sooo afraaaaid!

  • Jimmy Quick

    I sent you the video. Did you even look at it? If you did, then why did you ignore the information.

    I guess your fate is sealed. Good bye.

  • Jimmy Quick

    I’m done trying to reason with you. Good bye.

  • IVN

    Yes, I saw the video, and I sent you a critique to that scientist’s theories, did you even read it?

  • IVN

    Reason!? You call that reasoning!? You have reasoned shit! Your arguments are basically “God says thay”, ” you are going to burn in hell” and “god needs no confirmation”, and when I ask you questions that you cannot answer like ” how do you now that thr bible isn’t an invention” you ignore them and run away! That’s not reasoning, and you’veade clear that you have no idea about real life.

  • Jimmy Quick

    Again. I can’t help you. All you do is lie and no one can help you. Good bye.

  • IVN

    Again, I don’t need your help, and again you run away. Run! You coward. If you really believe in the words that you preach, answer my questions, if you don’t, you are proving yourself a coward

  • KDS

    What is this. The Jimmy Quick biography. It keeps on going…..